Bahamas Fly-in (was CQ MYAT... CQ MYAT: Anybody alive?)

[SkyKing]

Gee, it's awfully quiet down on Treasure Cay... I wonder if the trip to Nipper's has begun... or is GMAS still twisting ears & wrenches?

Let's have a quick report there Bob Cook!

SkyKing

[kevin]

They are having way too much fun to talk to us... ;-)

Kevin

[Bob Cook]

All arrived safely, even from Panama. Don Hickman received a tshirt for longest IFR. Larry B received one for longest dist in us. Of course the panamanians one two for greatest distance...

Indian police dog came along. Think about 30+ showed up. Wx great. Meeting yesterday morning (sat) till 12 then broke for Nippers.

Great dinner at Coconuts down the road. Lots of grouper, wine, conk and talk. everyone enjoyed themselves. Girls are going snorkeling. Breakfest buffet waiting (7am now). Meeting till noon. Some staying extra day.. Severe VFR. not a cloud in the sky and temp is 78 degrees. water temp about 85.. colour of water is coral blue..

Friday night had beach party with salads and hamburgs against setting sunset.... EAT YOUR HEART OUT!..

It was just right number of people and GMAS doing fine job. Lots of engineers and lawyers.. No doctors ( they go to bonanza parties).

Lots heading back this afternoon.. Lots of pics. will post monday when i get to high speed....

I am sure you will hear more from the group.... Seems they would like to make annual event.

Cheers

Bob

[Don Hickman]

Thanks, Bob, for the compliment (longest IFR flight), but it appears that you had one or two Bahama Mama's (that's a drink for those that weren't there) too many. I haven't yet achieved that lofty goal of an IFR ticket. Heck, I didn't even get a T-shirt for the longest VFR flight.

But I did make it and it was great! Maybe if I start farther west next year I can get a T-shirt. Now I've got to finish that IFR bit next week.

[Don Hickman]

Oh, and it was an Indiana police dog, not an Indian police dog. I think that next to GMAS, the dog was the biggest attraction -- at least for the women and kids!

[GMAs]

Yep had a good time down their... and met some real great people... bob did a excellent job of putting on the ritz...for us all... it was great...

Came back with Larry and his wife... and we had a great time flying over the islands... it was a simple flight... and took just over an hour... from Treasure Cay to FLL.... customs was great and I would have to say that it was the best part of the meeting... views that you can't get anywhere else... and playing with the clouds...

we have some pics too that we will try and post that we took in our spare time...

Next time we will have the equipment to show the work we did .... but, we will post the pwr pt stuff on the web too... so others can see what we were talking about... too... thanks again all for the great time

[WebMaster]

The trip was wonderful, GMAS was a great speaker, I learned lots, so did Kathryn (my wife). We loved having GMAS fly over to FLL with us. Extremely knowledgeable person, and a joy to be around.

Just wanted to say a big thanks to all who attended the fly-in. I learned a lot from GMAS and from talking with the rest of ya'll. This past weekend has confirmed my belief that the Skymaster is by far the best and safest light-twin available. Reading off the internet is sometimes impersonal but now I can put faces with the words, and a great group of faces they are! P.S. thanks Bob, thanks Larry!

[Keven]

Well folks, I just got back in town from being on the road/air and haven't checked this board until now. Just wanted to say again that Allie Cat and I had a great time during our first adventure outside the US in the 337A. It was nice to put some faces to names, now I just need to meet Kevin and Skyking to complete the loop. Many thanks to Bob, Ernie, and GMAS again. Hopefully we can make this an annual event.

Keven (and Allie) Kenison
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[WebMaster]

Wait a minute, Brad, it wasn't that low!!
I'm sure I met all the minimums for overflight on the island!!
And, in case I didn't, I don't want to advertise it!!.
Oh, and it wasn't 200, it was 225, and we read mph, not kph. It was way cool, though, seeing the hotel fill the windshield.

[Keven]

Larry, based upon your last response, it appears that you may consistently need a good attorney (and no . . . that's not an oxy-moron), so please keep my phone number and e-mail address handy. GMAS didn't preach hard enough on this topic at TC.

To assist you in your REVISED AND AMENDED response, please understand that: (1) there is NO WAY that you didn't meet minimums; and (2) the only way that the hotel filled your windshield was because of the ALMOST unusual attitude you were in at the time. It was NOT because of any low altitude:)

P.S. I received the headset via UPS. Thanks.
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[GMAs]

Well.... I am not going to say.... smile...

but, I did notice that you had a few rivets that looked a little lose on the bottom...when you passed over... smile...

No... Larry was high enough.... I heard him line up for his pass way out their... something about a skymaster you can always make them out in a sky full of planes...

It looked kinda neet... I was suprised that more didn't go out for the sunrise flight... to get some pictures... but then again its not the same as the US....and customs might have thought we were all getting ready do do something wrong... smile... so I guess it was the best...

Thanks again to Larry and his wife for the great flight back to FLL... it was the best part of the trip... which was a nightmare on the commercials... main reason why you want to fly your own... and own a skymaster... it was a nice relaxing flight back to the states... ahhhh the only way to fly.... smile....

and I want to thank Larry for the coconuts... that he knocked out of the palm tree for me... when he made his pass over... I was begining to wonder how I was going to get them off way up their... smile... must have been the shock wave from the speed run.... when he was rocking and rolling... ???

BY THE WAY....

I hope you all washed your planes down... found a rain storm to fly thru... (automatic plane wash).... or left it out so that the fresh water from the rain or garden hose... flushes all the salt spray out... remember... that after going to islands or around the ocean.. you need to wash out the plane... flush with lots of fresh water ... in as many places as you can... and the only time you should spray water backwards on the wing... to get into the cracks and crevices... to get the salt out as much as you can... Scrub scrub.... everything... and if its raining outside... good place to leave the plane for a rinse... smile... GMAs...

[GMAs]

Kevin... Alley Cat????.... you took your cat...????

[Keven]

GMAS,

I think you're intentionally trying to bait me into saying something sexual or derogatory about my beautiful bride Allie (Cat). Shame on you;)

And if I wasn't scared to death of her . . . I probably would:(

Glad you had a better trip back than you did getting to TC.

Keven
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[WebMaster]

I'll keep your email address and phone number handy Keven!!

We did get to fly through some rain on the way back, GMAs, but we want to scrub it clean. What do you suggest as a cleaner? We know stoddard solvent can't be had, I'm leary of MEK, so what would you suggest?

[Bob Cook]

That is a picture of the Green Turtle Cay Harbour, not Treasure Cay.

If you want to clean the "belly" try that orange waterless hand cleaner. It works very well. Lemon pledge seems to keep the bright stuff bright.

Skyking has a basket full of remedies and products. (Mary Kay stuff doesn't work too well. <G>

BTW I find very little salt deposits of any kind. This trip the winds are light and airport is far enough away not to cause problems.

Who had the cheapest fuel. I got down to 2.50 best case and 3.05 worst case.

fyi

Bob

[Keven]

Bob:

Lemon Pledge? Are you serious? That's awesome. I actually know how to apply that one correctly without doing 3 hours of research! Sucks being a newbie!

Maybe Skyking and/or Gmas will be kind enough to post a list of other recommended products for cleaning and care. But . . . I don't do Mary Kay.

Keven
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[GMAs]

What I would use on the bottom for the oil is mineral sprits.... it is the least offensive for paint... good old laundry soap and water if not alkline is good... I use Joy for mine...

You want to check for alkiline content in any thing that you will wash the plane down with... then a good coating of Pledge on the leading surfaces... or waxing the whole plane with it works good...

Murphys soap is another item we use to help clean things up... but, we stay away from the Lac thiners MeK, acatone and others that will craze the plastic or hurt the paint....

some items like simple green will work... but, should be flushed real well with water... and of course the old steam cleaning for the stuborn stuff that just won't come off any other way ... but, be careful of high pressure washers... as the abrasive in the water.. dirt, rocks and small children.... can cut the paint too... so if you have to go to that extream... be very careful... so you don't hurt the paint or the metal...

Fresh water that has no clorox in it... is best for alu... as the alu doesn't get reactive for water... and will protect its self... its the chemicals in it that you have to watch out for... but, water is universal solvent... and will desolve anything...

Rain water is best... providing their is not a steel mill down the road.. smile..

thanks again... for the lift... G.M

[WebMaster]

Oh, Drats, Bob, you know, it's hard to fly and shoot pictures. You know, shoot the picture, fly the plane, hard to tell which to do next!! Next year, I'm going to get a gunsight camera!

The orange stuff, it doesn't harm the paint and aluminum?
The biggest problem is I don't have running water at the hangar, so I need to clean, then fly in the rain.

[Bob Cook]

Larry see below.

Oh, Drats, Bob, you know, it's hard to fly and shoot pictures. You know, shoot the picture, fly the plane, hard to tell which to do next!! Next year, I'm going to get a gunsight camera!

1) fly the aeroplane
2) when asked you don't know for sure.
3) respond with "really; who me? when?, are you sure?"
4) transponder OFF, radios OFF.
5) never admit to losing a passenger.


The orange stuff, it doesn't harm the paint and aluminum?

1) wipe it on gently.
2) wipe it off gently.
3) do it again if really bad.
4) polish with pledge.
5) how do you hurt paint with other than a hammer?

The biggest problem is I don't have running water at the hangar, so I need to clean, then fly in the rain.

who? you or the aeroplane?

Remember use lots of soft cloths. I run them thru the washing machine and reuse cotton towels. Works great. The orange hand cleaner comes out of the rags right away. Kerosene works as well but not friendly when you get the stuff in your eyes. The orange hand cleaner doesn't drip. Very little if any residue is left. Try it.....


bob

[Don Hickman]

Bob,

I paid $1.80 for 100LL at Okochobee.

Don

[Bob Cook]

Don

you WIN!

Bob

[Keven]

Folks:

Is this thread a blast from the past or what? I was perusing old posts containing the word "headset" to see if anyone ever spoke about whether the P model was much quieter than the normally aspirated model. With that search, I came upon this thread.

Wow!

Fuel for $1.80 a gallon?
Simplicity of orange hand cleaner and lemon pledge?
It was a kinder, gentler time . . . .

Those were the good ole days!

Now, back to my original question when searching this thread. For those of you who have time in both P and normally aspirated models -- are P models significantly quieter than normally aspirated models at altitude? How about efficiency?

I normally fly my 337A at around 10K at 55-60% power, 17-18 gph, and 150kts. It's pretty darn quiet -- and, IMHO, pretty decent fuel efficiency.

Yes . . . I'm still looking at P models. How do they compare to my standard flight profile? Noise, speed, fuel burn, other characteristics?

Thanks in advance,

Keven
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[WebMaster]

I remember that trip OH so well.
Thanks for reminding us, Keven. Yeah, fuel at 1.80, I think I paid 2.50, at BNA, and thought it was high. My how times have changed. Tamimambi (sp??) was the first time I had pulled up to a pump and did it myself.

back to your question. I have ridden in Jerry's Skymaster, and it is quiet. Not up real high though. His exhaust sounds different. Now, if you come Michigan, I'll bet he'll take you and Allie for a ride.

[Don Hickman]

Keven,

I've tried emailing you and it bounces. So guess my addressbook is out of date. Send me an email so I can reply.

[Keven]

Don:

I was wondering why you didn't write anymore . . . .

E-mail me at kkenison@conlaw.com and kkenison@charter.net I'll get one or both of them. My cell number is 864.363.8667. Feel free to call me anytime.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Keven
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[kevin]

Having owned both, I can tell you that a P337 is significantly quieter at all altitudes. But it is still noisy, just a dull roar. I fly my airplanes at 60-65% power. My 337 (not even an A, just a 337, 1965) burned about what you are quoting at 65% power, leaned with a multiprobe EGT (dare I type these words) 50 degree rich of peak on the first cylinder to peak.

My P337 burned about 23 with the same power setting, BUT, the p337 was going 20 knots faster.

I never regretted getting my P for a second. I flew it high, even on short trips (like 12,000') where the air was cooler and there is almost no traffic except us and old King Airs...

If you can find my old P337, it already knows the way to Key West, the Bahamas, the Caymans,... :-)

Kevin

[WebMaster]

some folks we might recognize

[kmack3211]

I have had both and would say the P model is a little less noisey in the cabin than the normally aspirated models. However, I found the P model to be very hot in the cabin unless you were flying high. I'm told that having inter-coolers makes alot of difference. Just a thought.

[hharney]

Hey Kmack, Union Pier, MI?
Come join us for some 337 MI Flying

[kmack3211]

We would like to as soon as Eric up in Marshall finishes the annual.
kmack

[hharney]

Berrien Springs is Sunday
Will it be ready?

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